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On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

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Dave Grossman
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67
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15
Release Date
June 22, 2009
Duration
13 hours 0 minutes
Summary
The revised and updated edition of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's modern classic about the psychology of combat.

'An illuminating account of how soldiers learn to kill and how they live with the experiences of having killed.' —Washington Post

The twentieth century, with its bloody world wars, revolutions, and genocides accounting for hundreds of millions dead, would seem to prove that human beings are incredibly vicious predators and that killing is as natural as eating. But Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, a psychologist and U.S. Army Ranger, demonstrates this is not the case. The good news, according to Grossman—drawing on dozens of interviews, first-person reports, and historic studies of combat, ranging from Frederick the Great's battles in the eighteenth century through Vietnam—is that the vast majority of soldiers are loath to kill. In World War II, for instance, only 15 to 25 percent of combat infantry were willing to fire their rifles.

The provocative news is that modern armies, using Pavlovian and operant conditioning, have learned how to overcome this reluctance. In Korea about 50 percent of combat infantry were willing to shoot, and in Vietnam the figure rose to over 90 percent. The bad news is that by conditioning soldiers to overcome their instinctive loathing of killing, we have drastically increased post-combat stress—witness the devastated psychological state of our Vietnam vets as compared with those from earlier wars. And the truly terrible news is that contemporary civilian society, particularly the media, replicates the army's conditioning techniques and—according to Grossman's controversial thesis—is responsible for our rising rates of murder and violence, particularly among the young.

In the explosive last section of the book, he argues that high-body-count movies, television violence (both news and entertainment), and interactive point-and-shoot video games are dangerously similar to the training programs that dehumanize the enemy, desensitize soldiers to the psychological ramifications of killing, and make pulling the trigger an automatic response.
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Profile Avatar Mitchell P. Apr 2026

My favourite Romantasy. Can’t wait for the movie.

Profile Avatar Anonymous Apr 2022

As a combat Vet myself this book was very relatable, eye opening and interesting! Great book!

Profile Avatar Anonymous Mar 2022

very well written book. Worth the time to listen to great mind opener.

Profile Avatar Hugh H. Aug 2021

As a professional soldier this book had huge insights into feelings I have felt at times.

Profile Avatar André G. Apr 2020

Wonderful insight into the field of combat and killing

Profile Avatar Timothy R Apr 2018

Colonel Dave Grossman has given an enormous contribution of insight, experience and education to his readers. His dedication to his work and the work of others sited in the book and in his other books will contribute tremendously to our societies change for good.

Profile Avatar jason simmons Apr 2016

A very good and insightful read. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I've heard him speak and was not surprised at the book. Glad he narrated it as well. Highly recommend for an current military, law enforcement, or almost anybody that wants to gain an idea of how are military or law enforcement experiences combat.

Profile Avatar Jackie Vance Jan 2016

Very thought provoking. Hearing actual accounts of battle engagements from various wars makes me shutter. Also want to take all battle video games from my grandsons.

Profile Avatar Brian Sneeringer Oct 2014

Wonderful for those who need to understand their personal struggle with killing in combat

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

Author: Dave Grossman
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